Collective memory collected by Mr. Yin De Yi
Myf's Tiananmen translation project
from Mr. Yin De Yi's blog (now blocked by the Great Fire Wall of China)
Collective Memories of June 4th, 1989
Yin: Greetings dear moderators of the Xinlang Blog space. I bet you are getting ready for tonight too. I have planned for the worst. Let's start from now. It is 20:31, June 3rd, 2010. I will start to do what I want to do! Friend, if you care, please refresh this blog tonight! I don't want to be a fucking turtle (turtles duck their head into their shell) I hope many friends repost and save it. What I am publishing right now is worth everyone to keep. Tonight, Let's fight together!
1. Xinlang Forum User
That year, I was a junior in college. I came back to Tianjin from Beijing on June 3rd. When I heard of what happend in the morning of June 4th, tear poured down like the rain.
During this very day every year (only for this day?), looking back to the things passed, all young faces, familiar or only a glance, melancoly, angery, it made me depressed to the extrema. This is the darkest day in human history; it is the most heartbreaking day of any citizen with a heart. No matter how many years passes, no matter if it receives a so-called recognition from the government, they will never stop the blood from the wouns! Those bloody-sucking devils, executioners who murder citizens, that evil system that produced all these crimes, I will always curse you!
2. Shockwave, lawyer, born in 77'
I was very young when it happend, hence I cannot confirm anything that I heard. Even highly educated people argue about certain aspects of the key questions. Everyone has his/her own way to commemorate. Why would you force then to express their opinion? Don't you know, in China, a word can destroy someone's entire life? For example, somebody who worked very hard to study law for three years, passed the bar test only after spending a huge amount of money. He almost gets to be a lawyer. However, because of a word or a sentence he said, everything may burst like a bubble. Normal people can hardly suffer from giving up a lot while they do not have enough to survive. I said, everyone has their own way to express their opinion. It is not good for you to ask people to express. One can do some necesary things for their heart only if one's safety is ensured. If you ask too much, i am afraid that life is too light to endure this!
3. Bear of Hokkaido, Unemployed, 35, a couple of part time job, make some money and chat on QQ (chinese online chat service)
With Chinese people's apathy and slave-like quality, they dare not raise their voice even if their essential rights are being compromised. Do you think it is meaningful (to ask these questions)? I dare not to have hope in them. Let them be. There are too few Yangjias and Dengyujiaos (both killed police when their rights were compromised), yet so many dumb people. It's really hard. When 90% of the chinese are inferior, why cna't we say that we are all inferior? With the current chinese culture, we cannot walk out of this slave viscious cycle, we cannot walk out of this inferiority. a grain in the ocean is simply ommitable. Even if you are a bunch of salt dropping in to the sea of the Chinese, you cannot taste the saltiness. This nation has no hope except of termination and change origin. What difference can it make with 10 Yin De Yis, what about 100? There's hope if we have 700milion Yi De Yis. For yourself, the government doesn't really care.
4. Walking dead, Unemployed, Unknown age
One of my uncles was a Tank soldier. He left the military after June 4th, and now he is treated really nicely. According to my mom, all the Tanks that went to Tiananmen was from Weifang, that is why Weifang Tank soldiers are taken care of well by the government. I have seen all the documentary from foreign websites. At the beginning the students knew what they were doing, but they didn't have things to do later in the process, and start to form cluques. It became chaotic.
Things changed after Hu Yaobang went to visit the students for the last time (it was actually Zhao ZiYang -- translator). Knowing he is dead, the student has lost idea and leadership. The military started to come in, people on the square started to disperse. Rubber bullets in the impression did not come, but real bullets plus Tanks. Tiananmen incidents is similar to the Gwangju movement in Korea. We can still search for Gwangju online, and through it we can see the cruelty of politics. There was a supernatual phenomenon during the event. Some students splashed ink on Mao's portait, not long after it started to thunder, lightning contantly sparked in front of Mao. I was really confused by this. I do not want to expres my opinion of the Tiananmen evnet. If I have to I understand the decision of the leaders back when, becuse all the country were fought by them and they don't want someone to stop the future of their country. The only thing I don't think is fair is the absolute censorship of this event by the government. It happend means it happend. You can't always preaching that we need to say the truth, as leaders you need to fulfill your promises.
Uncle, march on with your bullet proof vest in the name of justice!
5. Leikeba enterprising 23 years old
China is so dark, everything is surrounding the man who rules. We cann satisfy our need for democracy. Media are also controlled by the government. We need a newspaper that is not inferfered by the government. We need clean newspapers.
6. Cool.ma Designer 25 years old
Where is the end of the vengeance cycle? I watched a documentary of June 4th (used same sounding characters in disguise - translator). I felt that what Chailing ( a student leader) did was a little bit too much. However I have not experienced it. I really can't say anything.
7. Natural Centrist
Are you wanting to be killed? I didn't see it before, but now I see it. This is what they are afraid of.
8. Love in Milano
9.
There's nothing to talk about regarding June 4th, merely a procedure in history. Politics is cruel. There's no stable government without bloody repression.
10. Wanting to throw my shoes
Want to know what happend that night? I can tell you. But unfortunately, my level is merely talk about it. It's not that I can't write about it, I dare not to write.
11... Freelancer born in 83
I was probably playing play doughs at home that year. In high school the teacher mentioned about this thing. (he, she) only mentioned a lot of people died, but did not continue. I got to know some things through the internet these two years, but not enough. Died in hometown but did not know why! I only want to know the truth now.
12. Li..master student
I was a kid!
13. Dark Night:
Sorry, I hold opposite opinion from you in regards of this event.
14. Feiyao
Back when I was in junion high, I did not know why those big borthers and sisters in college fast and sit-in. Now I start to know, slowly, who they were angry and did not tolerate. But thing back then is still a mystery.
15. ........
I don't understand the meaning of what you wrote. I don't get it.
16. Xinlang Forum User
That year I was in the military...I experienced it myself...and later...I woke up...and later...I fought...from then on...fight to the end...for life
17. Love Gate
Don't forget 63+1 (in disguise of June 4th)
That generation is stepping into their middle age or even getting old. Many who died has no name left. Many who were tortured were forgotten. The government is not qualified to "recognize" 63+1. In support of justice, against evil!
18. Xinlang Forum user
That year I was on the Sqare. Left 3 days before the shooting. Came back to my school.
19 Feifei is a good guy, Wangjun, office clerk, 28 years old, from Chongqing
I was in elementary school. In the news it was fasting and riot. We did not understand. I only got to understand it slowing after I grew up through different media. I felf for the first time the Chinese people stood up...but only fell soon after. We did not stand up in 1949, but everyone stood up in 1989. It left us a lot of thing to think about. This movement has its positive side. I was pumped by student's pure patriotism, I was angered by the brutal repression. Sometimes I think that if the movement did not happen, perhaps the Chinese democratization will come more easily. From some aspect, this movement ended in tragedy, a tragedy of the entire nation. Today, we commemorate this movement thorugh our own action, just to express that we do not fear the absolute power. We are more rational than the students back then.
20 Blue flower Phoenix 37 years old freelancer
That night, on that Square, Little boys and girls' feelings and thought were dropped under the call of the era. No one can look back. The curtain of darkness closed itself. All these did not end in the morning sunshine of the second day.
20 years passed, we did not forget, did not forget our dreams. If it can trade heaven, I would go to hell.
21. Lao Shang
Ten years after ten years. Things are surprisingly going thorugh ten years after ten years. The French said Chinese are pigs, I more and more start to agree with it!
22. Anima
Are you talking about Tibet in 1989? I do'nt understand! What happend? I was really young back then.
23 Jyqch Unemployed
Time flys by, 20 years has passed. 20 yearsago, I was doing internship after graduation. The so called "student movement" caused bad jobs given to the graduate that eyar. I could have worked in a governmental agency, but instead I was sent to the bottom of the system, and eventually I lost my governmental job in 2003. Haha, that is the Communist Party's job distribution policy. Look at the people who work in the governmental agencies, who is not fed by us tax payers? When we need them to get something done, they always refuses or being arrogant. Is that we are born to be kings and royalties? human feces.
24. Lost Butterfly Performance art student 20 years old
I was born that year. That was the tragedy of our nation. Poor students. I wasn't born at that time so I can't really say much. Rest In Peace for those who died.
25 Sima Guilai Photographer 35
20 years ago I was in 9th grade. Though i wasn't in beijing, but this affected my detiny. This event made me decided to not ot partake the high school entrance exam, instead I went to a factory professional school. 20 years after, totalitarianism still exists, GDB (thoughtmost of people doesn't know what it is) became the Happiness Index. The Party-Nation became the Glorious Era. But in terms of that "event", young people doesn't know a thing and they don't care enough to know. Old people pretend to not know, as if nothing has happend, even for those who actually participated. There's only the ghost who lost their life that year still wander around the Square. Poor people still exist in large scale. Not only they did not enjoy the fruit of the technological advance, they help contribute to the developement's capital. The environment was largely destroyed. I don't know where's the way out for China. I just want to say that aif a nation does not have the spirit to fight back the tyanny, this nation has no hope. Did i type too much. Our nation lacks the June 4th spirit, Long Live the June 4th spirit!
26 Huafeihua teacher 38 years old
In memory of the martyrs who sacrificed their lives for the Chinese democracy! People who live today should keep on fighting!
27 flowing water
My college friend's dad was a sergent. He said that his grandpa said back then they crushed students' body with armored vehicles. Truth or False, I did not see it myself, but I do not have a reason not to believe it.
28. Xinlang Forum User
That year my son was born, mu man went to a business trip in Beijing. He saw it, cruel for the eyes. Now that son has grown up, I told her what happed the year he was born, oh my!
29. peaceful heart
I did not know anything back then with the only new source from China Central TV station. Later I got to know many informantion from the internet and I knew that CCTV lied.
30. dadatiemur
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjc4Nzc0Njg=.html if we keep on to be apathetic, Ceau escu's yesterday is their tomorrow. If you do not go online for the next 10 days I'd consider you become a martyr. At that time I will tell people around the world that they need to watch this video.
31. XinTaiLuan 29 years old Shanghai
Hero of May 30th!
32. flowing water
20 years passed. I remember they said it was a riot. I was questioning it back then, students didn't have to power to riot. Back then the students still had passion. They wanted a clear society. But now the studnets are apathetic. Where is the society going? What kind of freedom does the people want? How does people face the real history? The saddest is that sometime we cannot tell black from white.
33. Mathilde student 24 years old
20 years ago i was in kindergarten, not until in 2007 after graduated from college I started to hear about this thing, but I was not sure because there are too few people talking about it. Now I live in a country with a motto (Freedom, Equality, Love), but I felt I am really far away from the truth. Even so, many things are clearer and clearer: Our nation has lost a lot of moral trasures and it continues...If the history reenacts now, I cannot think about how many people will actually stand up for it.
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There are 72 entries of people comment from Mr. Yin's blog. The library is closing and I have more programming to do. Till then. For now I am posting the first 33 entries so that you can get a sense of what the status of Chinese people is when they think about the Tiananmen Square Incidents 0f 1989, or collectively know as June 4th, after a stereotypical Collective Amnesia for 21 years.
In Memory of 1989 and In honor of the Spirit of Tiananmen
Myf
from Mr. Yin De Yi's blog (now blocked by the Great Fire Wall of China)
Collective Memories of June 4th, 1989
Yin: Greetings dear moderators of the Xinlang Blog space. I bet you are getting ready for tonight too. I have planned for the worst. Let's start from now. It is 20:31, June 3rd, 2010. I will start to do what I want to do! Friend, if you care, please refresh this blog tonight! I don't want to be a fucking turtle (turtles duck their head into their shell) I hope many friends repost and save it. What I am publishing right now is worth everyone to keep. Tonight, Let's fight together!
1. Xinlang Forum User
That year, I was a junior in college. I came back to Tianjin from Beijing on June 3rd. When I heard of what happend in the morning of June 4th, tear poured down like the rain.
During this very day every year (only for this day?), looking back to the things passed, all young faces, familiar or only a glance, melancoly, angery, it made me depressed to the extrema. This is the darkest day in human history; it is the most heartbreaking day of any citizen with a heart. No matter how many years passes, no matter if it receives a so-called recognition from the government, they will never stop the blood from the wouns! Those bloody-sucking devils, executioners who murder citizens, that evil system that produced all these crimes, I will always curse you!
2. Shockwave, lawyer, born in 77'
I was very young when it happend, hence I cannot confirm anything that I heard. Even highly educated people argue about certain aspects of the key questions. Everyone has his/her own way to commemorate. Why would you force then to express their opinion? Don't you know, in China, a word can destroy someone's entire life? For example, somebody who worked very hard to study law for three years, passed the bar test only after spending a huge amount of money. He almost gets to be a lawyer. However, because of a word or a sentence he said, everything may burst like a bubble. Normal people can hardly suffer from giving up a lot while they do not have enough to survive. I said, everyone has their own way to express their opinion. It is not good for you to ask people to express. One can do some necesary things for their heart only if one's safety is ensured. If you ask too much, i am afraid that life is too light to endure this!
3. Bear of Hokkaido, Unemployed, 35, a couple of part time job, make some money and chat on QQ (chinese online chat service)
With Chinese people's apathy and slave-like quality, they dare not raise their voice even if their essential rights are being compromised. Do you think it is meaningful (to ask these questions)? I dare not to have hope in them. Let them be. There are too few Yangjias and Dengyujiaos (both killed police when their rights were compromised), yet so many dumb people. It's really hard. When 90% of the chinese are inferior, why cna't we say that we are all inferior? With the current chinese culture, we cannot walk out of this slave viscious cycle, we cannot walk out of this inferiority. a grain in the ocean is simply ommitable. Even if you are a bunch of salt dropping in to the sea of the Chinese, you cannot taste the saltiness. This nation has no hope except of termination and change origin. What difference can it make with 10 Yin De Yis, what about 100? There's hope if we have 700milion Yi De Yis. For yourself, the government doesn't really care.
4. Walking dead, Unemployed, Unknown age
One of my uncles was a Tank soldier. He left the military after June 4th, and now he is treated really nicely. According to my mom, all the Tanks that went to Tiananmen was from Weifang, that is why Weifang Tank soldiers are taken care of well by the government. I have seen all the documentary from foreign websites. At the beginning the students knew what they were doing, but they didn't have things to do later in the process, and start to form cluques. It became chaotic.
Things changed after Hu Yaobang went to visit the students for the last time (it was actually Zhao ZiYang -- translator). Knowing he is dead, the student has lost idea and leadership. The military started to come in, people on the square started to disperse. Rubber bullets in the impression did not come, but real bullets plus Tanks. Tiananmen incidents is similar to the Gwangju movement in Korea. We can still search for Gwangju online, and through it we can see the cruelty of politics. There was a supernatual phenomenon during the event. Some students splashed ink on Mao's portait, not long after it started to thunder, lightning contantly sparked in front of Mao. I was really confused by this. I do not want to expres my opinion of the Tiananmen evnet. If I have to I understand the decision of the leaders back when, becuse all the country were fought by them and they don't want someone to stop the future of their country. The only thing I don't think is fair is the absolute censorship of this event by the government. It happend means it happend. You can't always preaching that we need to say the truth, as leaders you need to fulfill your promises.
Uncle, march on with your bullet proof vest in the name of justice!
5. Leikeba enterprising 23 years old
China is so dark, everything is surrounding the man who rules. We cann satisfy our need for democracy. Media are also controlled by the government. We need a newspaper that is not inferfered by the government. We need clean newspapers.
6. Cool.ma Designer 25 years old
Where is the end of the vengeance cycle? I watched a documentary of June 4th (used same sounding characters in disguise - translator). I felt that what Chailing ( a student leader) did was a little bit too much. However I have not experienced it. I really can't say anything.
7. Natural Centrist
Are you wanting to be killed? I didn't see it before, but now I see it. This is what they are afraid of.
8. Love in Milano
9.
There's nothing to talk about regarding June 4th, merely a procedure in history. Politics is cruel. There's no stable government without bloody repression.
10. Wanting to throw my shoes
Want to know what happend that night? I can tell you. But unfortunately, my level is merely talk about it. It's not that I can't write about it, I dare not to write.
11... Freelancer born in 83
I was probably playing play doughs at home that year. In high school the teacher mentioned about this thing. (he, she) only mentioned a lot of people died, but did not continue. I got to know some things through the internet these two years, but not enough. Died in hometown but did not know why! I only want to know the truth now.
12. Li..master student
I was a kid!
13. Dark Night:
Sorry, I hold opposite opinion from you in regards of this event.
14. Feiyao
Back when I was in junion high, I did not know why those big borthers and sisters in college fast and sit-in. Now I start to know, slowly, who they were angry and did not tolerate. But thing back then is still a mystery.
15. ........
I don't understand the meaning of what you wrote. I don't get it.
16. Xinlang Forum User
That year I was in the military...I experienced it myself...and later...I woke up...and later...I fought...from then on...fight to the end...for life
17. Love Gate
Don't forget 63+1 (in disguise of June 4th)
That generation is stepping into their middle age or even getting old. Many who died has no name left. Many who were tortured were forgotten. The government is not qualified to "recognize" 63+1. In support of justice, against evil!
18. Xinlang Forum user
That year I was on the Sqare. Left 3 days before the shooting. Came back to my school.
19 Feifei is a good guy, Wangjun, office clerk, 28 years old, from Chongqing
I was in elementary school. In the news it was fasting and riot. We did not understand. I only got to understand it slowing after I grew up through different media. I felf for the first time the Chinese people stood up...but only fell soon after. We did not stand up in 1949, but everyone stood up in 1989. It left us a lot of thing to think about. This movement has its positive side. I was pumped by student's pure patriotism, I was angered by the brutal repression. Sometimes I think that if the movement did not happen, perhaps the Chinese democratization will come more easily. From some aspect, this movement ended in tragedy, a tragedy of the entire nation. Today, we commemorate this movement thorugh our own action, just to express that we do not fear the absolute power. We are more rational than the students back then.
20 Blue flower Phoenix 37 years old freelancer
That night, on that Square, Little boys and girls' feelings and thought were dropped under the call of the era. No one can look back. The curtain of darkness closed itself. All these did not end in the morning sunshine of the second day.
20 years passed, we did not forget, did not forget our dreams. If it can trade heaven, I would go to hell.
21. Lao Shang
Ten years after ten years. Things are surprisingly going thorugh ten years after ten years. The French said Chinese are pigs, I more and more start to agree with it!
22. Anima
Are you talking about Tibet in 1989? I do'nt understand! What happend? I was really young back then.
23 Jyqch Unemployed
Time flys by, 20 years has passed. 20 yearsago, I was doing internship after graduation. The so called "student movement" caused bad jobs given to the graduate that eyar. I could have worked in a governmental agency, but instead I was sent to the bottom of the system, and eventually I lost my governmental job in 2003. Haha, that is the Communist Party's job distribution policy. Look at the people who work in the governmental agencies, who is not fed by us tax payers? When we need them to get something done, they always refuses or being arrogant. Is that we are born to be kings and royalties? human feces.
24. Lost Butterfly Performance art student 20 years old
I was born that year. That was the tragedy of our nation. Poor students. I wasn't born at that time so I can't really say much. Rest In Peace for those who died.
25 Sima Guilai Photographer 35
20 years ago I was in 9th grade. Though i wasn't in beijing, but this affected my detiny. This event made me decided to not ot partake the high school entrance exam, instead I went to a factory professional school. 20 years after, totalitarianism still exists, GDB (thoughtmost of people doesn't know what it is) became the Happiness Index. The Party-Nation became the Glorious Era. But in terms of that "event", young people doesn't know a thing and they don't care enough to know. Old people pretend to not know, as if nothing has happend, even for those who actually participated. There's only the ghost who lost their life that year still wander around the Square. Poor people still exist in large scale. Not only they did not enjoy the fruit of the technological advance, they help contribute to the developement's capital. The environment was largely destroyed. I don't know where's the way out for China. I just want to say that aif a nation does not have the spirit to fight back the tyanny, this nation has no hope. Did i type too much. Our nation lacks the June 4th spirit, Long Live the June 4th spirit!
26 Huafeihua teacher 38 years old
In memory of the martyrs who sacrificed their lives for the Chinese democracy! People who live today should keep on fighting!
27 flowing water
My college friend's dad was a sergent. He said that his grandpa said back then they crushed students' body with armored vehicles. Truth or False, I did not see it myself, but I do not have a reason not to believe it.
28. Xinlang Forum User
That year my son was born, mu man went to a business trip in Beijing. He saw it, cruel for the eyes. Now that son has grown up, I told her what happed the year he was born, oh my!
29. peaceful heart
I did not know anything back then with the only new source from China Central TV station. Later I got to know many informantion from the internet and I knew that CCTV lied.
30. dadatiemur
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjc4Nzc0Njg=.html if we keep on to be apathetic, Ceau escu's yesterday is their tomorrow. If you do not go online for the next 10 days I'd consider you become a martyr. At that time I will tell people around the world that they need to watch this video.
31. XinTaiLuan 29 years old Shanghai
Hero of May 30th!
32. flowing water
20 years passed. I remember they said it was a riot. I was questioning it back then, students didn't have to power to riot. Back then the students still had passion. They wanted a clear society. But now the studnets are apathetic. Where is the society going? What kind of freedom does the people want? How does people face the real history? The saddest is that sometime we cannot tell black from white.
33. Mathilde student 24 years old
20 years ago i was in kindergarten, not until in 2007 after graduated from college I started to hear about this thing, but I was not sure because there are too few people talking about it. Now I live in a country with a motto (Freedom, Equality, Love), but I felt I am really far away from the truth. Even so, many things are clearer and clearer: Our nation has lost a lot of moral trasures and it continues...If the history reenacts now, I cannot think about how many people will actually stand up for it.
--------------------
There are 72 entries of people comment from Mr. Yin's blog. The library is closing and I have more programming to do. Till then. For now I am posting the first 33 entries so that you can get a sense of what the status of Chinese people is when they think about the Tiananmen Square Incidents 0f 1989, or collectively know as June 4th, after a stereotypical Collective Amnesia for 21 years.
In Memory of 1989 and In honor of the Spirit of Tiananmen
Myf
posted by Myf at 18:47
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